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What’s wrong, emo kids?!

In: Rocking in the free world, Tokyo Hotel Friday May 16,2008

A couple of days ago, a 12 years old girl jumped out the window while her mother was there with her and, of course, died. She left a good bye note, sign she was determined to do this and it was not a spontaneous act. The girl was an “emo kid” and fan of Tokyo Hotel band.

OK. I see them on the streets every day, with their dark, rebel hair, with a strong and black makeup, with dark clothes and that semi-goth look. At first I smiled, it must be a trend. I remember me fighting with my mom over my long hair and scattered jeans, over my skull t-shirts and metal music. Ah, yes, and I won’t tell you how hard it was to wear ear rings. At first 1, then 2 large ones. I was cool with my red and black leather jacket, long hair and ear rings. I was I guess 19-20 years old and loved metal!

But I didn’t jump, and most of all, I have never thought about anything like this. I even remember telling my friends once that if by any reason they will find anything like this about me, they know I DIDN’T DO IT MYSELF! I love life! I loved it there too. I loved life in every single aspect of it. I loved rock music, distorted electric guitars, long hair, screwing everybody who was pointing at me for one reason or another!

2 days ago it was this late night TV show here caused by this 12 yo kid who jumped. There was a psychologist invited, a rock music critic, 2 emo kids and others that I don’t remember. The theme was clear: why did she jump?

I watched a part of the show then, the next morning I have seen a news in an e-newspaper and I followed a link there to a site that preaches emo culture.

I can tell you I had an impression of a large gap. A gap between me and these kids. I am 31 yo, remember? I am not that far away. I can not imagine how would it be to be 55 yo and to face such a situation. If you are 55 yo, then you probably feel the gap even worse than me and you probably couldn’t understand it either, the way I do it now.

These kids are not 12, these kids there look, feel and act like 20 yo. They look sad. I haven’t seen a single smile on their faces on that site. How could you not smile?!! How could you be sad at 12?!! WTF is wrong with you, emo kids?

I read on that site that is the site of emo community in Romania, as they say:

“these persons have the tendency to hate themselves, to feel inferior to the others, to be very hard on themselves, all these leading sometimes to suicidal tendencies!!!”

Man, could this be right? I don’t believe in censorship, I believe in freedom of expression, but CAN YOU POSSIBLY write on a web site that leads the flag of a community of teenagers that the teenagers that are part of that particular community hate themselves?! You can not grow inside them the feeling of inferiority and most of all you can not tell them, yes, man, you have suicidal tendencies, pay attention, we all here have it, well, it’s not that bad, if you think about it!

Am I crazy? Have I lost it or what? Shouldn’t we grow inside kids and teenagers the feeling of security, trust, the feeling of being on the right way, to make them feel good with themselves? Is this emo culture an anti-social one or what?

They were speaking about Tokyo Hotel as being one of the musical leaders of this emo culture and they were accusing one song, named Don’t jump as being part of the problem, being the favorite video of that girl who jumped. The psychologist said that the message in the video is understood exactly the other way by a listener. Don’t jump!! Now you get it the other way, if you want!

I must admit I was not familiar with Tokyo Hotel and their music so I tried a couple of songs. I can tell you that the music was not that bad, don’t blame me for that appreciation, a part of me likes this style. It is that crying music that has roots in punk, alternative, etc. They say it’s new. The rock critic invited to that show was pissed off for this and I understood him why. I watched him a lot of times on TV, he had a late night rock show, metal oriented, man, I loved it, his name used to be associated to late nigh metal.

So, he spoke a bit about this music and I also listened it the next morning. How could it be new!? Listen closely! Remember Radiohead’s Creep?! Creep has the same idea, it is released in 1993 and it is alternative. Nothing new on this earth right? Also, how about Nirvana?! People should ask Tokyo Hotel’s composers where do they get their inspiration from. Nirvana must be one of the sources, in my opinion.

So, people listened this music long before emo kids were around, nothing new. Then, why this suicidal ideas? Where is it coming from? Tokyo Hotel is a produced band, has composers hired just for them, the look, the songs, they are all “artificially produced”. While I don’t argue that in music it is a marketing way of doing it, like for ex the T.A.T.U. thing. Here it was big, 2 Russian girls with lesbian image singing in semi-erotic outfits. Who cared about the music?!! It faded away…

It is the same thing now with emo, IMO. Somebody created this culture from scratch, gave the leading lines and said let it grow and spread. Then, we’ll sell things like music and clothes to them…

Man, how about coffins? Little ones, they are only 12, remember?

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65 Responses to “What’s wrong, emo kids?!”

Gary
May 16th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

well observed and well written too!
Ovidiu
May 16th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Thanks,Gary! It is true, frankly this suicidal side of “emo culture” freaks me!! I just don’t get it!
G L Wilson
May 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

It’s not just emos. It seems to be a teenage thing. Look at how many kids are into this self-harm business these days. It didn’t happen years back, I swear.

I had a girlfriend who did some research into this phenomenon and found all sorts of websites and forums where such behaiour was promoted. She soon got swept up by it all and started self-harming herself.

I reckon it’s definitely a “fashion” that is spread by the internet.
Ovidiu
May 17th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

I don’t know, it’s way too strange to me. I don’t know why they do this but you are right, the self mutilating thing is part of this “culture”
Michael (guitarman) Thomas
May 19th, 2008 at 2:27 am

Great post and a great blog. I’m glad I found this.
Ovidiu
May 20th, 2008 at 8:42 am

Thanks, Michael! Come back please, I try to write new things every day. Also, if you subscribe to my RSS feed it will be easier.
Jesse
May 20th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Self-harm today and being ‘emo’ is very comparable to doing drugs in the 60s and 70s and the ‘hippie’ lifestyle. fads maybe, but they still need help…just because doing drugs was considered cool back then, it doesn’t make it right…while the fad of the ‘emo’ look is portrayed heavily in the music scene today, it doesn’t mean everyone who dresses that way or enjoys that type of music is suicidal…while a lot of ‘emo’ music can play on those emotions, it is not the reason kids inflict self-harm…it goes much deeper than that…it just seems today that younger kids are more in touch with their emotions…while that can be a good thing or a bad thing, it all depends on what they are focusing on and what they are being influenced by…
Ovidiu
May 20th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

That still doesn’t make it right, Jesse. OK, you say there is a parallelism between 60′s and today from one point of view. Indeed, this still isn’t right also, but I can not stop shivering when I think of a 12 yo killing himself. I was listening yesterday “Join me” from HIM and the chorus left me speechless, it was something like “Won’t you die tonight for love, baby join me in this…”. Now you do the math.
Zyon_Chan
August 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

whats wrong with us is the older generation has screwd us over. No matter how hard we try, there’s nothing to look foreward to. And theres also a hell of a lot more cruelty coming from the jocks and preps than ever, cherleaders too, hell, even the nerds pick on us. We just want to be different, accept life fricken sucks, get over yourself. If we want to ruin our life let us, it’s OUR life. Besides, where are we gunna go? there aren’t even any factory Jobs, and half the people graduating from collegaes aren’t even getting Jobs, cause there is nothing. We’re just waiting for the world to cometo a crashing end. Bye-Bye, and have a wonderful day, oh, and read some stuff from livejournal.com if you really want to understand us, or vampirefreaks.com. and listen to Hawthorne Heights and Kill Hannah, maybe you’ll realize, were just trying to make the world go away, we don’t WANT attention, that just makes us even sadder when we want to be left alone, so, leave us alon, okay?!
Ovidiu
August 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

Well, Zyon_Chan, I don’t have anything against you, as a cultural movement, I realize it’s exactly the same thing every generation experiment at one moment. I kind of like the music and the “dressing code”, reminds me of Gothic rock, which I like so OK with this.

But your point of view is very negative and I don’t agree with any of your statements regarding your dark future. I don’t agree with them because I strongly believe that you are what you want to be and what you strive to be and for all that you need a positive attitude. And I surely don’t agree with your suicidal tendencies because I don’t believe they are natural. I just think that you are part of a bigger commercial plan of selling music and clothes to young generation. I could speak more about this…
just me
October 8th, 2008 at 1:28 am

I complettly agree with Zyon_Chan, and Jessee. and if someone wants to end their life thats their decision. First off. its tokio Hotel. – with an i not a y. They are from Germany and thats how its spelt. Secondanly, the lead singer is the one that writes the songs along with his twin brother who playes the guitar, and each person in the band has their own style, no people that tell them to dress a certian way. And the meaning of the song is complettly agnaist suicide. note the title, DONT jump. The lead singer, Bill Kaulitz, who wrote the song has spoken many times in interviews that he is agnaist that kind of act and thats what the song is about. In the video, its like a metaphore, one half of him wants to do it, wants to give up, let go, and jump. But the other half of him is fighting fir him to not give up hope. Thats why there are two versions of this video. One where he jumps, and one where the other half of him makes it in time, and saves him. This video is meant to give a negative thought to commiting suicide. Who are you to blame them, can you imagine how guilty this would make them feel?? And also, tokio Hotel is not that emo of a band. Try listening to some Hawthorne Heights, where the lyrics say, “Cut my wrists and black my eyes so I might get some sleep tonigt, or die.” Those are emo lyrics. Not, “I scream into the night for you, dont make it true, dont jump!” and btw, no one is trying to sell anything. We are who we are, and you cant change that. So we like diffrent music than you, and wear diffrent clothes than you like., Who cares?? no one wnats to be the same, and I hate when peopl call me a freak. Its who I am, and im not about to commit suicide or anything, but like serisously, you cant change people, just leave them alone, no ones doing anything to you, or telling you to change who you are. And if you think about…..your just like everyone else…. and we just dont want to be copies. no offence, please dont take this the wrong way, im just sick of it all.
Ovidiu
October 8th, 2008 at 9:38 am

@just me: I used to wear long hair, large ear rings, damaged jeans and I have also had this impression of people looking at me in a strange way, really I don’t think you should care about it. I understand this is how you feel and I don’t blame you for it, trust me, I am an open minded person, I am not against you, I don’t understand why you feel so much anger. From your post I feel you are angry with the world.

I haven’t listened Hawthorne Heights, but I will. About Tokio Hotel, I accept my mistake about the name of the band, I just wrote what I have seen in the band history and biography. The fact is that you should be realistic and understand that no band will ever grow this way without a very strong marketing plan and without adults managing the right way the band. Trust me on that, it just doesn’t go this way, as much as I would like to believe that myself, I realize that bands like Metallica, Manowar, Helloween grew because they also had a plan behind.
muirfinnleers
October 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

haha – too funny! Check this out for even more: emo !!
xEmoxCorexRozexFuck
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 am

i agree with Zyon_Chan
were different, and whats so fucking bad about it?
its not fair, technically we have our OWN way to live
let us to it and stop tryng to fucking control it!
everyones different isnt so? get the hell over it
thers other people worse than us, seriously take a look around
the world is NOT perfect and it has never been. im with the fact
that why wake up each morning? everthings the same
and nothing ever makes sense but other people may think that each day is a blessing, i say fuck that. its hard enough going
thru streets with people swearing to kill you just because you
like this music and dress this way. its just pathetic.
cant even walk your own home with your ipod and gettin pointed at, asking ” are you thinkin of kiling yourself now?”
whatthefuck? we think our own way, ther is nothing special
about life, its just living to survive and not living to the end.
i for instince kno my reality and it aint no fucking candyland.
im just saying, people should just set back and leav us alone.
were different and want to keep distance from
all you people who want us in their little fake world.
okayz? :\
Ovidiu
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 am

Personally I don’t think you are different. I don’t think anybody is trying to control you, maybe just to understand you. At least this is what I am trying to do. You know, I have a few friends that can be considered part of the emo culture and they are not that different, really
nena
October 31st, 2008 at 11:29 am

just me am agree wth ur thought..and ppl stope takeing tokio hotel band to a prodect of sucide side..every 1 free what they do and we not u we dont want be like u we r different and just we know the real mean of life not like u decieveing u self by the fake smile on ur face..
XxitachiforeverxX
November 1st, 2008 at 6:04 am

i can’t believe you would write something like this. the reason why emo kids do this to themselves is because people like you stereotype us. leave us ALONE!
Veroica
November 3rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm

I love what u wrote and it’s true but i know what those poeple were thinking y me….. kill me….. i want to be loved….
yeah most of them are out there but some of them arent. Those kinda people are the closests to me. I’ve been through alot and i know what they mean . They are hard on themselves because the world is really hard on them thery’re hard on themselves because thats how others see trhem to but….. i like them …and they like me
Helena
December 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

I read the story and I have to point out that I really like the band the jumping girl liked and just to let you know, It´s called ,, Tokio Hotel” Not Tokyo Hotel. But a really good story, I call myself an ,,emo-style” type and Im god damn proud of it. It´s not fun beeing like everyone else and always trying to be like them… Be proud of beeing different people !
Ovidiu
December 11th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Thanks, Helena, I took note of my error, Tokio Hotel, indeed. I also like what they play, it sounds alternative after all. I guess everyone of us needs to stand out a bit, isn’t it? It is nothing wrong in being different, if we would all be the same it wouldn’t be fun
Cipica_2006
December 15th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

I have enought whit this shit. No one should tell us how to act or what to wear. Every single day is a fucking cursed day 4 me. Why r u so interesed in what r we doing. It’s our life not your’s so fuck off.
Ovidiu
December 15th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Cipica, I don’t think anybody told you what to wear or how to act in this post here, so there is no need to act so frustrated. It’s your life but still, to me it is more than this, it is a cultural movement that I am trying to understand. No need to act the way you do. Relax.
Cipica_2006
December 16th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Ok. Sorry 4 acting like that. But i am 2 nervos about all those who just want 2 change me. I just fucking hate them like i hate myself.
K
December 16th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

Emo and suicide are not directly related. I know people who are depressed in every stereotype you could imagine, and frankly, the ‘emo’ kids are the happiest. They let their emotions be free instead of hiding them inside. I’m not emo, but I do have depression. Suicide is more a result of feeling unloved, alone, and worthless than it is about a certain group of kids. I am 17, and I am asking that adults stop claiming emo to be a completely suicidal thing. I realize that it can look that way sometimes, but cutting IS NOT A TRUE PART OF EMO. Some emo teens cut. Some DON’T. To say that emos cut is like claiming that all cheerleaders are sluts. No offense (I’ve been a cheerleader), but TV has claimed before that cheerleaders are ALWAYS POPULAR and USUALLY SLUTS. TV, the media, and people’s incorrect perceptions (including websites) have torn apart what emo is. Here’s one girl’s definition of emo: “Emo is just about being sensitive and expressing how you feel about something.” This is the essence of emo. Cutting is NOT RIGHT, but kids from every genre of person does it.

I am not emo. I do not cut. I do have depression. I have contemplated suicide (though that was a long time ago). I have friends that are emo. I have some that aren’t. I have friends that cut and are suicidal. I have some that arent. THEY DO NOT COINCIDE. That girl’s death is horrble, but it is not BECAUSE of the emo culture.
emo.emotive.emo
December 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

The media is saying so much crap about emo, that all they are really doing is spreading the word; therefore it is becoming more popular.
j
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 am

the strange thing is on there, isn’t it? you are talking too seriously and too much about emo (sub)culture without even an attempt of studying of what a culture is… you are speaking of music (so what?), internet (why emo not forex?) etc: if you – and all of us – are to remember coffins why not then speak about our way of life that produces so regularly all those suicidal kids of nowadays?
kyle
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

wow just wow how cant you understand why we never smile or why that girl jumped its cuz our lives are shit our parents dont care what we do so we have to grow up and take care of ourselves we cuz none cares if we jump or pull the trigger or just let go. i have people tell me every day that none wuld care if i was gone and tats true this one guy that i knew he was 15 he jumped off of his roof cuz he could not deal with the shit that he got at home or at school. and if you still dont understand why that girl jumped e-mail me so i can explain it in retard terms
XxloveXmeXorXdiexX
January 8th, 2009 at 6:22 am

man we are just different than you, respect us. Why the hell do you. Even care we do not encourage self harm or suicide the media just groups it together with all that bullshit they spread
Thank you for your time, and may I say screw all the a-holes who want to curbstomp emos
Raven
January 17th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

That is soooo wrong. 1. Its Tokio Hotel 2. The lead singer is a MALE 3. He is GERMAN 4. He is HOTT
emolover1313
January 26th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Ok….. lemme just say that I AM EMO… Just because we dress differently than “normal” people doesnt make us weird. I hate how people.
nyki
January 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

i understand what you are saying …. honestly your take on this does make sense …. i do think that the whole EMO thing is a phase ….to a certain extent tho. i am 18 years old …. when i was nine til the time i was sixteen i cut my self constanly….just on my arms and wrists….deep enough to bleed and scar….im looking at a scar now about a inch above my wrist on my left arm a nasty little raised scar….when i was eight years old my mothers husband raped me…. and molested my two younger sisters….they were five and six…. my mom found out about what happened and she didnt believe me …. she blame me for causing problems….when i was eleven years old…. on december eleventh 2001 we were put in foster care …. my two younger sisters that i had tried to protect by getting them out of that situation by telling the police officier at school what had happened….they hated me…ME!! because im the reason they were no longer with our mom…wtf…. i was completely confused i mean i did not do that to get their graditude or anything but this threw me off…. now nine years later im a happy and healthy soldier in the united states army!!! proudly serving my country … ill be in iraq february of 2010…..im going to college online for psychology ……. the point of this blog is to show that you can get over anything i went from wanting to kill mself for something i had absolutely no control over…. toliving an amazing dream of a life…..

~ALWAYS~ american soldier nyki
(N)
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 am

well…my gf is emo….and infact she does smile…and she’s always the center of all cus she’s always like 100% there..get to learn ppl first before you judge them.
emochick4lyf
February 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Im a emo myself and ye i do slit my wrists but i know what you mean about the whole jumping off a building especially whilst ur moms there.If i did kill myself i would probly wait until my parents had died.As im 11 i do learn and do things that im not supposed to do but i hope killing myself isnt one of them just yet.And we do smile thankyou!!!
j
February 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

to nyki – “he point of this blog is to show that you can get over anything i went from wanting to kill mself for something i had absolutely no control over….” as my would-be colleague you perhaps quite well understand the purpose of the blog: to stop suicidal kids from suicide, that is, from killing oneself – however, i would mention privately, that if the “whole EMO thing is a phase”, then there is something very much important for you not to drop while your online psychology course — and that being “a happy and healthy soldier in the army!!!” and overcoming the urge of killing oneself by the pride of killing others is not a prospect those kids are looking for nowadays — maybe the times have changed a bit more, and we should be considering the cultural and social contexts we are finding ourselves in… Hope you will be back from Iraq intact, safe and sound…
j
February 4th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

to (N) – “get to learn ppl first before you judge them” – that’s right, one should be doing the very thing you spoke about, but they do not. they usually prefer judging to learning – and that’s the whole problem we are facing –
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E
February 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Emo. First of all, emo is music. And emoppl rnt depressed. Some of us r, but it has nothing to do with the whole “emothing” u can be depressed, even tho u rnt emo. When u think about killing urself, its cos ure not ok. Not cos ure emo. Im emo. Im not depressed. And Tokio Hotel, plz get over it. Im listening to Tokio Hotel, and im proud of it. As some ppl said before me, u shouldnt judge ppl. Emoppl are nice ppl. Ppl like u make me sick. U think u know what emo is, but u have no idea.

And sry for my bad english, im from sweden.
Brandan
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 am

you know i read alot of the comments on this page and half of the things these people and kids said is just fucking asinine, neither can say much because their on the other side looking over, theres to much of a disconnection between the “regular” people and the “Emos” theself mutilation thing has always been around and today its just more popular than it used to be so i hate when arrogant pricks associate it with emo kids, im 17 and ill admit im a hardcore self mutilator and i do despise life, i just got out of a mental hospital for attempted suicide and for being a serious harm to others, when i get called emo i actually give the person who called me it a reason to be emo, but i have trouble understanding why some of these kids are so sad sometimes i mean whats there excuse, yes the world sucks but duh it always has and always will, its not going to fill up with super nice friends and perfect parents, life sucks and then you die.. thats the truth of it and even though bad things have happened to you everyone is fighting some sort of demon inside them, 12 of my closest friends and family have died in the past 5-6 years.. both my parents are disabled from full blown aids and hiv, i was molested as a child and ive literally seen people die right in front of me, but its life and it fucking sucks no matter what, ive had my heart broken more times than i would like to count,, nothing in this world can take the pain away not drugs, not drinking, not cutting , and not hating life,, i do all these things and i live in a pretty dark and fucked up place, but there are people who have had it worse and still go through the day smiling.. im not saying be happy, or stop hating life,, because im not happy… and i hate life.. im just saying to those of you that are like me, look at what your turning things into, you aknowledge that life isnt fair and you do nothing to better yourselves, and i bet every single one of you have felt happiness in a relationship, with friends , with music.. our not depressed. You only think you are.. -FTW-
kJz
March 4th, 2009 at 2:22 am

hey ovidiu, im a romanian too.
for the record, im not emo.

just wanted to let u know, i think all this emo thing is something that always happened it only has a name, a hair style and a fashion style now.
i mean.. most teens get depressed at some point, u can’t deny it. so okay, the weak ones do eventually think suicide might be a good idea, but most get over it and become great people later on. i have no idea about the music called emo, but let’s face it, there’s always been alot of emotional-suicidal music going on, hard rock, softer or even pop.
hell, even Cioran was emo. so what’s up with this new emo world-wide club? i agree with u, i think it’s nothing more then a strategy to sell stuff.

but either way, i think this emo society is a good thing. at least like that they know they belong somewhere and they should officially be forbidden to say they’re lonely.
all in all, im sure they’ll get over it in time, maybe after highschool. we’re where we always were but now the sad people have a stereotypical name.
Ovidiu
March 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am

That’s the coolest thing I’ve heard lately, Cioran was emo I couldn’t have put it better! They’ll get over it as they grow but the music probably will remain in their hearts as the music of our teens remained in everyone of us. I still love the music I started to listen in high school!And indeed, the music has always been here, everything was here before, just under a different name. That’s all.
Fluidly Unsure
March 13th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

The sad part (apart from those that do jump from buildings) is how people jump on you for asking some reasonable questions. How are you trying to control them? I must have missed it but I don’t remember you saying what others should do or should not do.

You and I are different as far as age goes (I’m about 50), but we are both trying to understand sub-cultures we don’t live in. That is why I listen to Tupac and ludacris.

I tell my friends that the current situation is nothing new. We older folks have thought younger ones to be screwed-up since at least Socrates. The only thing that has changed is the cursing has gotten a little more explicit. Big effen deal.

Now I want to tell those in the Emo community that the current situation is nothing new. People have been frustrated and want to escape life’s frustrations and disappointments.

Kids are frustrated and disappointed with their life and what their parents have given them. Parents are frustrated and disappointed in how these challenges are being handled by their children.
Josie
April 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

fyi: Tokio Hotel’s “Don’t Jump” is a message of hope, telling kids that you should NOT jump, “spring NICHT”. Those who’ve gone too far in their devotion to Tokio Hotel have been sick a lot longer, and for more reasons, than for a style of music or clothing or emo “culture”. Finaly, Tokio Hotel is NOT, and i repeat NOT a produced band. Do some research buddy, the lead singer, Bill Kaulitz, and guitarist Tom Kaulitz are identical twin brothers who have been making music together since they were 7. They met bassist Georg Listing and drummer Gustav Shafer a few years later when Tom and Bill were preforming in a local club in their hometown in Magdeburg, Germany. When they were finaly discoverd it was one of their major priorities to make sure that everything they did was 100% them. they write all their music and lyrics themsleves, and if some of it seems simelar to other artists, it’s coinsidance. i dont disagree with you that kids today seem to be loosing their innosence a lot younger than in the past, but i dont think that has anything to do with being “emo” as much as it has to do with what kids have to go through these days.
sonal
April 11th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

hello, id just like to say that most of what you’ve said is true..you do have a point there but the reason so many teenagers are ‘emo’ may be other various reasons. In the earlier days, things used to be peacefull compared to the present day, there used to be less pressures, etc. with the divorcing rate increasing day by day..and the parents situation at broken homes do leave a mark on children as most of them have been ignored in their earlier stages by their parents as the parents were too busy fighting leaving the whole atmosphere disrupted. Thats one reason. Another reason is also that some just want to fit in…
There are much more reasons which im sure your aware of but i hope iv made my point clear.
MuriKi aka *hopeless Soul*
April 20th, 2009 at 7:25 am

I was just checking sites for a nice pick and saw this one, I can say as myself being 17 and emo, that the reason I feel like I do is becuase of a bad life… Allso becuase of the world around me treating me like some kind of animal. I will not be returning to this site to check the blogs after mine, I have better things to do.
fact
June 13th, 2009 at 2:30 am

none of you will ever understand us because you haven’t suffered along with us excluding of course the people that are emo. im emo i cut so fucking what thats my choice stop poking at us like a caged tiger or one day we’ll bite back we cut and commit suiciced because we suffer daily like me i have no life at home my mother has an issue… my father picks on me for the slightest mistake i have no friends and never have i suffer daily from heart break and when you can tell me you dealt with that from about the age of six you may be able to understand the things we do and why we do them until then fuck off.
mittenz_BLOoDy_emoroses
August 7th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

there was no “emo” well u were a kid b cuz u were protected and loved u r clearly not fully informed yes the majority cuts but we do not all commit suicide ,you act as tho we all commit suicide ,im “emo”, i am 15 , i have never met an “emo” that is 12 yrs old the twelve yr old that jumped was wannabe ,a poser and wanted to find fame in all the wrong places for all the wrong reasons . dont judge me or any other “emo” based on other people if a kid is that young and they r “emo” 95% of the time they just want attention “emos” every were r being stalked bullied and racially treated badly all b cuz a few posers made the rest look like shit “DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER” GOES FOR THIS STEREOTYPE !ive been cutting for a 2 yrs i have experienced 4 deaths, a divorce , and mental abuse in the past two years dont go by what some jackass tells you y we cut its not true if u want to kno the truth ask a doctor or a psychologist who has delt with this stereotype …i have been taking counseling for the past year i have gone thru 7 counselers and psychologists in the past yr im sure i know what im talking about .ive been informed andi was cutting b4 i even knew what “emo ” was
mittenz_BLOoDy_emoroses
August 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

actually ima gonna add… more i do smile mostly bcuz i have ADD but i do smile i laugh allot im very hyper ,i like to party but im”emo”
it kinda pissed me off about mispelling tokio hotel NO Y IN TOKIO! and actually bill and tom kaulitz are identical twin brothers theyve been performing since they were quite young and they r completely against suicide they r from germany and they were not produced by adults not every thing is done by adults kids can do wondorous thing by themselves as long as they have what they need around them but not all kid (such as “emos”) have these things and there is much hate in there lives that they have no chance X[ X_x XP >:(
Rhys :]
September 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Very interesting thread, I’m 15, I’m not a Stereotypical EMO, but I am an EMO I just don’t look like the average emo.. I dress normally.. I smile, I laugh, my life aint that great… but your life is what you make of it… if you choose to cut yourself.. well no-one has the right to stop you.. but in my opinion.. no matter how hard you try and how hard you try to look into a topic, for example this one (Emos) you’ll allways get people who’ll take it the wrong way and overreact.. i’ve read all the comments previous to this one.. and i agree with some of the comments however.. there are some that I think are completely stupid, those so-called ‘Emo’s’ are giving the rest of us bad names.. acting like everyone is out to control their lives.. they should grow the fuck up and realise that you’re just interested in what’s happening with teens in the present.

Anyways, I hope you can see my point in all that rambling.. if not .. ah well.
Ovidiu
September 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Well, Rhys, I do my best to get the meaning of it, personally I love life too much to understand why would on Earth someone would cut himself. The fact is that I can’t be indifferent, even if you could look into this as it is your right to cut so leave me alone…Nobody can be indifferent. And indeed, nobody is there to get you or to control your life, life is indeed, what you make of it, good or less good, you need to find the best in it and keep an open heart.
Fluidly Unsure
September 20th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Message to the adults:

Read the YouTube thread for Ludacris’s song “runaway love”. It is about the reason many young girls run away and the comments are people helping their peers understand to not run away. It is the opposite of the stereotype the MSM projects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWKrDGm5dog

Also, listen to the lyrics of 2pacs “Brenda’s got a baby” or Will Smith’s “tell me why?”. People are frustrated and violence (to others or one’s self) isn’t the only outlet being used.

People growing up faster is different than our generation, but it is nothing new. We were shielded from some of realities for longer than previous generations.

Remember that this is the same as our parents complaining about drug abuse, the sexual revolution, and such. In their minds it would result in people not respecting and permanently damaging themselves or others.

I don’t understand children committing suicide and the fastination with S&M/bondage that is becoming a fad, but there is good in the current movements too. Recognize and help promote the good instead of trying to supress the bad which just gives it more attention and probably spreads its message.

Message to the younger generation (not just emo):

The older gens don’t understand the younger? What’s new? Molestation is nothing new. People dying is nothing new. Suicide is nothing new. Going beyond emo, sex is nothing new (how do you think you got here?) The only thing that is new is how open these subjects are.

Quit judging others and claiming it is because they are judging you. It starts sounding like whining. Whether it is or not I don’t know. I don’t know your situation. But I do know the impression it gives.

People saying the pain of their situation is worse than what others live with is nothing new.

Part of the “control” is that adults try to protect pre-adults from harm. Without that, molestation and child abuse is not bad unless a knife or gun is used.
Kyle
October 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

That is so depressing that kids that young can become suicidal because they subscribe to a “culture”. How are you supposed to be a functional human being when you make it your mission to act depressed all the time?
Rhys :]
October 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

Mm, I see what you’re getting at Ovidiu, although others may not. Personally I’m not much of a fan of cutting myself.. I’m accident prone as it is.. but what I was getting at is that some people may take this the wrong way.. and think that you’re trying to find ways to control them and their lives.. as sad as that may be.. it happens..
this it totally not cool
November 10th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

They ruined the original gothic culture! The only real kind of Gothic kind of stuff is just black clothes not this Gay-emo-crap. Only stuff from the 90′s counts as well. Fuckers.
Books magazines and articles this emo society is now supporting! Depression! Now when it actually rolls around, people are going to ignore it! Thats just great.

Now its fake depression, like some sort of placebo effect on this not even goth, emo-wannabe-fake-slit-my-wrist culture. If this gay hot topic actually sold the actual things that it takes to be gothic i would shop there more… it takes forever to actually have something good there.
If it was gothic lolita clothing that showed up there i would buy it, because thats what is being goth is all about, big boots, Crosses,
frilly black clothes. Not this gay crap.

I’m done with this.
mrdwicky
November 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

YOU KNOW WHAT i just realised something….
There are many books movies and media today in fashion and whatnot, it doesn’t matter what you do depression seems to be all around you these days! They even focus on the end of the world that seems a bit wonderful doesn’t it? Impending doom knocking is your door? Apparently so, with that whole 2012 thing happening lately. It’s just another way for people to come up with something to be scared about.

It’s a placebo kind of depressed, a trying kind of depressed now, a want kind of depressed. I want to be depressed society. I’m not even trying to get better society. Let’s pop a few pills society.
Now I know most of you are not going to agree with this but this is completely true. I know I’ve seen it, experienced it myself, observed it through other people, and noticed it through my own personal actions.

People try to stay depressed whining on the internet about how they are—>>> being controlled. How people say constantly on the streets they want to kill them for dressing the way that they do. <<—It’s a bit extreme to be thinking this way. (although i’ve been reading these comments so i’m up for anything) Also, people do say how their life is so miserable all the time. When they get grounded, then they are going to kill themselves. The internet is like a sea of perpetual Angst for teenagers, all they do is complain about how their parents don’t understand them. Have they even tried talking to their parents? It’s like they are not even trying. “Ok. Sorry for acting like that. But I am too nervous about all those who just want to change me. I just fucking hate them like I hate myself.” Again it’s like the kids these days are not even trying to change.

Now it’s completely valid to be saying your life is terrible, if you have gone through a tragedy like someone dying. Also some unspeakable act has been done upon you, like rape or molestation.

There is a process that you go through its called for both of these things, you go through a “GRIEVING” or “SHOCK STAGE”. Over time it’s less and less, or you go to therapy. You absolutely go to therapy if you cannot come to terms with what happened to you. You talk to your friends about it. RESONABLY. Not saying the F word over and over on the internet saying that you are going to kill yourself, because it’s not worth that. YOUR LIFE IS NOT THAT BAD OR TERRIBLE GET OVER IT.

My friend died, when I was in high school. I was really upset, I was very upset. I knew my friend for a very long time. Her name was Chelsie. She was hit by a car; she was bleeding internally and gurgling out her mouth with blood when they got her to the hospital. That’s nice isn’t it? I went to her funeral, cried constantly for a week in secret, and then I was fine. Since I talked it out with my friends and family! Don’t think that every once in a while that I don’t think of her, because I do. So you shut your mouth. Get yourself over your dumb assholish-ness.

for the record i am 18 years old. and i’m no psychologist, but this seems pretty obvious.
I’ve been emo for a while, but i’m no idiot like these people are.
supershqipa
January 13th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

EMO has been hijacked. EMO has been around since the early to mid 80′s. Its not a new phenomenon. It was an offshoot of american hardcore. It was a term invented by Ian MacKaye former singer of Minor threat. It was a name to describe is new band “Rites of Spring” as well as his later band “fugazi” . It was never about suicide. It was hardcore punk slowed down with less distortion and a more EMOtional side thats all. It stayed prety underground up untill the early to mid 90′s and then had its first swell of mainstream popularity from bands like armchair martion,built to spill,saves the day,sunny day real estate,get up kids and so-on. It was still music created by the bands and not the record companys. Truth is its the second coming of corporate music hell. NEU MEtal muahahahaha, just dident have the impact like “grunge” . The good old record companies are having a field day with stupid and impressionable youth today on the emo thing. Im around t your age man, I had to tell my little sister who is 14 “how are you emo kids so unique, when you all look the same”. Thank god she understood. I then introduced her to SOD,slayer,agnostic front,Madball,the queers,Mr t experience, the gamits,so on and so forth. I left with 1 kernal of knowledge. ” If you dont spend time in record stores listening to cd after cd, reading the backs of bands liner “thank you” notes for other band names, buying compilations from from small record labels, your a poser” Thank god she took so quickly. Great article by the way. I just tired in seing emo described as some trend when its been around for 20 years. I love all types of music and I get just as pissed when slipknot is called death metal.
Ovidiu
January 13th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

You are totally right, I told you I have the same impression that young people don’t understand the fact that the music and history repeats itself over time and what it is now has already been around since a while. Unfortunately the young age (and hey,I’m 32, not older!) makes you rush into judging.
Emo?
January 15th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

I’m confused. maybe it is a trend, maybe it’s not. I used to cut, but thank the Lord I stopped a while ago. Now when people talk about cutting like it’s a trend it really gets me.
People at school say I’m emo because I wear converse & skinny jeans, and my hair always covers one of my eyes (I hate getting haircuts, big deal.) I just like the “emo” style. That doesnt make me emo. i think what ppl on this site are trying to say is the band you listen to, and the stuff you wear doesnt make you emo. It’s your state of mind.
Ok, so maybe I do listen to emo bands, but i listen to all music. (Bon Jovi!!!!)
These emo kids of which you speak are going through a hard time like i was, its sad they do these things, but maybe it makes them feel better. I think they should talk to someone. It helped me. I think the suicide is sad. No matter how bad life gets, (and it gets sooo bad) i think its worth going on.
Don’t get mad at me, anybody. These are just my opinions and observations. If I offend you, I’m very very sorry.
Fluidly Unsure
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 am

नमस्ते

This is just a tad off topic so ignore me if you wish.

Rebels come in cycles that, like the Hindu Chandra, repeat. Rebels are an important part of human societies but they can be overdone. The more today’s rebels try to be unique, the more they end-up looking like those from the past. Retro to the nth degree!

Music rebels seem to work in a circle of fifths (corny pun intended) along with music styles and music critics. We all know music is about math right?

Do you realize how the establishment hated Bach and Hayden who rebelled with enharmonic notes?

What about bebop and swing that was semi-orchestrated if at all?

In the 40′s my grandfather warned my mother about Jazz (“honey; that’s not music, they aren’t even playing the same song!”) in the same way as my father did about rock in the 70′s (“that’s not music, it’s just a bunch of kids screaming over the noise”). When my brother-in-law recently warned my nephew about emo not being music I almost laughed.

We (the aged) might see the big picture well, but have we been blinded to the mundane details and forget to look at the trees for the forest?

Remember that the free drugs and sex of the beatnik/hippy movements was seen as obviously destructive by parents then too.

Maybe it is time for both sides to cool off.

To the kids: we aren’t trying to control you, most of us are trying to understand something alien to us. Quit over-reacting when we try to understand.

To the parents: the world isn’t trying to corrupt them and their adventures will make a stronger character. Quit cuddling them!
jeuvi hottie
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

omg, i uknow u said that ur just trying to understand, but fuckin people placing “whats wrong with you emos” just doesnt help, so yea i cut yea i hate myself, yea im probably going to commit suicide, but u dont have to say stuff like that
Fluidly Unsure
March 8th, 2010 at 7:56 am

Namaskar,

So maybe we are confused like you are. When people are confused they tend to do and say things they wouldn’t otherwise.

Don’t get angry at people trying to help. If you say you are hungry, don’t be surprised if someone gives you food. It only feels like they are saying they are better than you.
Kit
June 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am

I agree with this article. It’s a sad trend that’s developed. It’s harmful and it’s more than a rebellion, it’s a disease. I don’t think any of these kids who are emo are bad, but I do think some of them really need help. Instead of the industry promoting this lifestyle, they should offer help. But, I guess help does sell as much as just letting people do what they want, even if that means killing yourself. I don’t know how much longer this generation can possibly last with how stressed and depressed we are making kids and teens. For sure, it’s going to affect the future dramatically.

Emo tendencies, or the lack of self-control when it comes to emotions, often lies in the brain. Either there is a serotonin imbalance that needs medical assistance or these kids, from what they see around them, are influenced into a trend they think is cool. A lot of these kids have bi-polar, cyclothymia, or any other number of mental afflictions that go untreated. Due to a lack of a good diet, many of them are plunged further and further into this darkness. If you don’t fuel yourself correctly, be that mentally and physically, you’ll end up with a negative outcome. This physiologically perplexing phenomenon has created a lot of heart-ache for parents and friends, and worst of all, it’s caused the premature death of many youths.

Sometimes emos choose to be this way, sometimes they are forced to be this way by the ever-changing epidemic of the world. Whether you choose to wear black mascara and listen to screamo music is one thing. Letting it affect how you live and what you think is another. Therefore, it’s really too bold of people to think that what they are exposing themselves and their children to will not affect them.
lxXxLostAndForgottenxXxl
November 22nd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

I hate you ,why are you mean to us?
Yes I cut myself whats wrong with that, sometimes I dont eat 3 days and do you wanna know whats my favourite band BRING ME THE HORIZON !!!!! WE WILL NEVER SLEEP CUZ SLEEPING FOR THE WEEKS SO WE WILL NEVER REST UNITL WERE FUCKING DEAD!!!
emo kid
May 24th, 2011 at 12:47 am

whats wrong with us????! sure no body understand us we just seems like freaks why?? yeah must of ya r happy and with out problems quite life awesome family yeah why not thats what any kid dreams about friend,party,girlfriend\boyfriend u got every thing so u all thought we r a damn crazy kids hell…just think about it!!
u all not in my heart you dont know how i feel
u all not in my house 2 c my problem
u all not at fucking school with me 2 see how people talk to me and before being emo was the same thing ..guys u dont live our live to feel what we feel always ,let me talk about my self like example my name is sanarya 15yo i live in iraq every body know what a fucking nasty is this country so i have a sister am older than her by 10 years n a brother am older than him by 5 years really friend less so lonely i can’t feel my sister and brother they r child,my mum is sick she have a problem with her heart even i dont know when she will die!! my father is sick too..,so put your self you r me what would u do bad country sick mom n dad friendless lonely i hate live really i do
hanna
June 22nd, 2011 at 3:41 am

um… im about 14 sorry to say us emos are like this cuz some of ur generation is harming us like beating us mentally and physically so were scared and hurt cant u see tht!?! its pain we feel the pain we cant escape called memory im sure we all have it, for example my mother beats me mentally

What’s wrong, emo kids?!

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