
A few days ago I was writing about that pig bleeding party, if this is how you call it in English(thanks, Sammy!). I have observed a very interesting fact while being there, something that made me think about it for a few days. Remember I said that when I arrived, there were already some guys playing on stage, guys that we teamed up with, to make a band for the evening. Most of them haven’t played since a few good years, but all together, we managed to have a good “show” that evening.
Also we took breaks, because after all, it was a party with friends, we had lunch, had a couple of drinks, chit-chat with everybody around, etc.
Well, in those moments, the stage usually got full of other people that used to play an instrument at one moment. Well, one of those moments is the reason I write this here now…
It was that guy there, fan of SRV and John Mayer, that loved to play Lenny (and it sounded really nice, plus that I listened Lenny that very morning so I had it fresh in my mind). He approached me at one moment when I went for a coffee and we had an interesting conversation about guitars (mine especially), SRV, Satriani, Vai, you know, the usual chit-chat guitar players come up with when they get together, he’s a very interesting guy,we even exchanged phone numbers and asked if he can come to one of our rehearsals sessions one day. Well, yes, I guess.
Then it was this other guy that was totally addicted to metal. He asked me if he could try my guitar. Yes, no problem. He told me he has a Gibson Les Paul at home and if I am not mistaken, also a Strat. Nice, I don’t have any of these. Well…
So, he started to play some Maiden, then a few riffs of a local underground metal band in Romania, a band that I also like to listen once in a while (but probably I am the only one in the 100 people that surround me that even know about that band). Well, I liked to hear those heavy riffs, I knew the songs, I have them on my laptop, but the people there didn’t know them…
At the same time, on stage it was the SRV guy with his guitar. But he couldn’t play metal under any circumstance, he was the Lenny guy…But the Maiden fan didn’t know blues…
I was looking at them, one trying to play metal and the other trying to play blues. Didn’t work. Didn’t work at all. They seemed like 2 guys speaking two different languages, they didn’t have any common grounds to rely on…
Do you know what I’ve thought at that moment? I have thought about my post of a few months ago about being original in blues. You commented there saying that blues actually offers the common ground that both musicians and the audience know, gives everybody an international language to speak. This is so true, with only 3 chords, basic “blues culture” they could have had a great time jamming together. Probably the Lenny guy could have put it together, but there must be 2 to play tennis, isn’t it?
I still have that image in my mind of two guys, each of them being able to play the guitar pretty good, but not being able to communicate and play together at the same time.
And here I remember a movie that I’ve watched a lot of years ago on TV, with a jazz trumpet player, I think. He wanted to play in a band, it was a jazz band playing down the street, he went there to speak to them about it. The band leader listened to him, told him about learning scales and sent him back home to come back later after learning scales. He came back a few months ago, I know to play this.
OK then, now go back and listen those songs and learn them. When you can play them, come back and we’ll speak about it. He came back a few months later playing the songs.
OK, NOW YOU CAN START LEARNING TO PLAY WITH A BAND.Go back and…
I don’t remember how the movie ended, if the guy joined the band or not, I just remember the idea. There’s more to it that learning to play the guitar, it is not enough to know the chords or the notes, it is not enough to know the song, you must learn to work with the others in the band and listen to them…
Don’t you agree?
Pribek
January 5th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
It’s a great point Ovidiu. Music is a form of communication. You can learn somebody’s licks without learning what they know or how they got there.
See if SRV walked on stage with with George Jones or Kenny Burrell, he would have had something to play, something to say. Those guys in Maiden, would have something to pull out of the bag if they were in an impromptu jam session with SRV or Jeff Beck. Their knowledge goes beyond the style, the ability to engage in a musical conversation goes beyond what is on the records.
Ovidiu
January 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Indeed, and I think the most important part thing in a conversation is to listen the one you’re speaking to, to try to understand the person you’re speaking to. Try to see what the other is saying/playing and then try to say something that makes the conversation grow. If you bump right in there without listening you are like the guys that comment in forums just to hear themselves speaking(or in that case writing). However, I came to the conclusion that blues is “the conversational style”, the universal language for music. Not everybody likes it, probably, but usually, if put together to jam, guitar players will start a blues progression of some sort. Because it gets them started. So, blues is like a glass of whiskey, just enough to make you wanna talk more
Tennyson Williams
January 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Its so ridiculous though. I don’t think its that hard to study different styles of music. I mean, they’re all connected. I once had two non musicians argue with me that blues and metal had no connection what so ever. I just kept my mouth shut. If you can play one style of music, you can play them all. You don’t even need to know the theory behind a particular style of music. You just have to listen, quite your mind and be present.
I’ve jammed with all sorts of people, so it gets me fired up when someone says “I don’t like jazz” or “I don’t like country”, ’cause it tells me that they’re just lazy. Learning to appreciate something takes a little bit of work, but it pays off.
I remember composing Bossa Nova Metal pieces and it was fantastic. I just didn’t form an opinion about what I was going to do - I just did it. I also remember jamming with a fantastic metal guitarist who could do all the advanced techniques, but when I started playing a mellow jazz/blues chord progress, he couldn’t follow, and yet he knew every chord in the book. Just because you’ve studied the math behind a style of music, doesn’t mean that you can play it. You just have to become a sponge, listen and absorb music. People need to quite their minds.
Sorry for the long rant
FrugalGuitarist.com
January 7th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Excellent post! Many people get trapped within a style and forgot how much other music there is out there. Every style has it’s beautiful momments and the more open minded you are to let it all in the more you will have to say musically in your given style.
Brian
January 8th, 2009 at 1:31 am
I agree with Tennyson as well…I think it’s really an important part of your musical foundation to know some fundamentals in a few styles of music. Unless you playing to play for yourself, by yourself then you need to learn some basic theory and chord progressions to speak in a common language with other musicians.
Every time I jam with someone new we always end up doing a 12 bar blues since it is so common and well known. Plus it gives you a chance to get to know the other person’s style as well.